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Xindi

Been watching "Enterprise" with kengr lately. I have to say, for all that the plotlines make no sense, I do have to give Enterprise kudos for the Xindi. Awesome idea, 6 sentient species evolving on one planet. I don't think Enterprise is canon, but I'd like the Xindi to be canon. The six species are referred to as = Reptilians, Insectoids, Primates, Arboreals, Aquatics, and Avians. Too bad the Avians went extinct.

I've long been fascinated by the idea of more than one sentient species coexisting on a planet at once. And it's not even that far-fetched. Homo sapiens and Neanderthals coexisted for a time. It'd be neat to find out what might have happened if Neanderthals had continued to exist.

One of my own conworlds, Traipah, has three sentient species on it: Ah'Koi Bahnis, Duenicallo, and Shaokennah. Four, if you count the Zaen, which are symbiotes that about 90% of Ah'Koi Bahnis have. But I don't usually, since the Zaen can't reproduce on their own. Oh, and I've been contemplating adding another sentient species to that planet, a species of sentient planimals. (Planimal = a plant that can move around like an animal, and needs to eat animals to get certain nutrients. Kind of like carnivorous plants like Earth has, but cooler.)

(For those who don't know, "Enterprise" is a Star Trek prequel series that focuses on the first warp 5 Earth vessel, the Enterprise, captained by Captain Archer. Time travel features in the first episode, things get weird, then they get even weirder halfway through the series. If kengr is right, the last episode will retcon the entire series. Like that season of Dallas that was retconned by it being a dream of a comatose kid, but a whole series, not just one season.)

Edited to add: I just remembered, not only does my Traipah planet have 3 different sentient species on it, the Ah'Koi Bahnis also have a bunch of radically different races/subspecies. Before I'd even heard of Enterprise (Hell, before Enterprise even aired), I had in their history tales of a tree-dwelling race of Ah'Koi Bahnis (named Mahg'lih'mihn) that went extinct. Then there's two different water-dwelling AKB races, one freshwater and the other seawater. And a race that are exceptionally tall, as well as another race who look like children (and notoriously grumpy about it). And the historically dominant race of AKB, called the Ihg'Dahk, went extinct during The Reformation and gave rise to the Tiir'Gihn. Lastly, genetic engineering created the Yain'gah and the Chahm'ah'kaag. Yain'gah are rather more humanlike than any other AKB race, and the Chahm'ah'kaag have skin that changes color like cuttlefish skin.

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underlankers
Mar. 9th, 2010 01:50 am (UTC)
More than one sentient species exist today. It's just that the Great Apes and cetaceans don't talk in a way we recognize.....

-J C-
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
Oh duh, forgot about that.

I look forward to the day we can translate dolphin and other cetacean language.
kengr
Mar. 9th, 2010 05:11 am (UTC)
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 05:15 am (UTC)
Cool!
my_real_head
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)
I stopped following Enterprise around the second or third season... I didn't know the Avians were extinct.

Argh, now I have to find someone with the DVD set so I can borrow it.

Actually I still have to watch DS9 and Voyager. When DS9 was out, I wasn't in the right frame of mind to enjoy that kind of show. I think now, I'm (mature?) enough to enjoy something so serially plot-driven.
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:26 am (UTC)
I think DS9 is probably the best Star Trek series... well, second to TNG. But it took me a while to get into it, because the first season or so deals a lot with Bajoran politics. But the Founders/Odo make it worth watching. And the fights between the Prophets and the... well, anti-Prophets for lack of the proper name... is worth seeing, too.

Oh, and the same guy that played Weyoun (one of the Vorta) in DS9 played an Andorian in Enterprise.

And a lot of people are down on Voyager, but I think it's undeserved. It's pretty good, in my opinion. A war amongst the Q, Species 8472, and Qs breeding are among some of the highlights.

But yeah, DS9 is a lot different from any other Star Trek series, due to taking place on a space station.
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:28 am (UTC)
BTW, check to see if your library has the DVDs.
my_real_head
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:41 am (UTC)
The libraries here stopped carrying DVDs because too many people were stealing them.

I have enough friends into Star Trek that at least one of them is bound to have the set.

We used to poke fun at DS9. "To boldly stay where other people have stayed before!" I was a huge TNG fan. Nowadays, I can't watch TNG without cringing half the time at how hokey a lot of it is. Oh well.

fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:45 am (UTC)
Funny, but DS9 people did a lot of exploring, too, by sending runabouts into the Gamma Quadrant.

Besides, it's kind of unfair. I think the best scifi series I've ever seen is Babylon 5, and that takes place on a space station too. :-)
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:46 am (UTC)
Speaking of Babylon 5, the guy who played G'Kar played a small role in one episode of Enterprise. And I think everyone knows that the guy who played Chekov played a PsiCop on Babylon 5.
kengr
Mar. 9th, 2010 05:56 am (UTC)
The whole series can be found as a torrent...

reannon
Mar. 9th, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)
I believe most of ENTERPRISE is considered canon. Alternate universes do not apply. :)
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fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 03:02 am (UTC)
Yeah, those labels get a bit fuzzy.

Speaking of sentient dolphins... Man, an Uplift Trilogy Universe movie would kick righteous ass if done properly, but after that one dickhead screwed up The Postman, I think David Brin would sooner take live fire ants up the ass than give anyone in Hollywood the chance to turn another of his books into another backwards, anally-retarded clusterfuck of a shitty movie.
christinaathena
Mar. 9th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
I don't think it is plausible to have multiple tchnological species on one planet except possibly in a situation with two closely-related species. The coincidence of two such species evolving salience near-simultaneously is highly improbable. Once a species develops technology, it quickly advances leaving little orno room for another technological species to evolve
fayanora
Mar. 9th, 2010 07:41 am (UTC)
Actually, I think odds are better if they're not closely related, or at least not competing. Ah'Koi Bahnis are herbivores, Duenicallo are carnivores. Shao'kennah are also carnivores, but they prefer smaller game than Duenicallo do. The three species have not always gotten along well, and the Shao'kennah are still pissed at being enslaved and mistreated before The Reformation (a several-thousand year old grudge, that), and their shared history has had other incidents. But oddly, the AKB and Duenicallo always got along better with each other because they didn't compete for food and because Duenicallo have long had a strict ethical code against eating sentient lifeforms.

And besides which, once AKB and Duenicallo met, and once it was established that AKB were sentient and therefore not food, their two peoples started hanging out with each other a lot. Traipahni civilization is largely a joint effort of the AKB and the Duenicallo. The Shao'kennah keep to themselves due to the continuing grudge, but Traipah gives them plenty of hiding places.
christinaathena
Mar. 9th, 2010 08:25 am (UTC)
The problem is timing. Homo sapiens is only 100,000 years old, for example. An ultra-brief period on comparison with the 600 million year history of multicellular life. And we only began to advance past the stone age, in a few spots, 10,000 years ago or so. For two technological species to exist, they'd've had to evolve at virtually the same time. Considering that technological species have only appeared once that we know of, such a situation would be of extraordinarily small probability. If two species were in a symbiotic or directly antagonistic (e.g., competitors, predator/prey, etc), then I could possibly see them co-evolving towards technology, but not
unrelated and geographically separated species
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