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This is disgusting!

This mentally handicapped man didn't do what he did on purpose, or with any understanding. But some asshole - with the help of the law - drove him to suicide:

http://www.tampatribune.com/MGBUOWR018E.html

Chaotic Blessings;
---Fayanora

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kali_ya
May. 5th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
that just breaks my heart...
fayanora
May. 5th, 2005 02:48 pm (UTC)
That "Sex offenders" registry needs to be re-thought.
kengr
May. 5th, 2005 04:04 pm (UTC)
Sex offender lists are for all practical purposes life sentences. Especially when you consider that being one means you can't live anywhere decent, can't get a decent job, etc.

And the fact that they are a "one size fits all" brand of shame "solution" just makes it worse.

Essentially, they make reform of the person *impossible*.

Some day, if someone with money and guts gets involved, they may get riuled "cruel and unusual punishment".

fayanora
May. 6th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC)
One of the rules of being a sex offender is you can't live within, I think, two miles of a school... even if your sex offense wasn't a pedophilic one. Do you have any idea how hard it is in Iowa to live farther away from a school than a mile or two? Most towns in Iowa are barely a mile square if that, so you have to live outside of town to comply.

Some day, if someone with money and guts gets involved, they may get riuled "cruel and unusual punishment".

I hope so, because it is. Murderers don't even get such horrible treatment. And it's totally rediculous! Any idiot knows that murder is a worse crime than rape, regardless of who's being raped.
kengr
May. 6th, 2005 04:49 pm (UTC)
Heck with the *rules*. The problem is that people find out, and run you out of the neighborhood. Pretty soon you out of neighborhoods.

I know two folks on such lists. One lost his wife and baby (he was accused of raping the baby. He says it was his ex-wife's boyfriend, who she married while he was in jail). The other one got involved with his teenage daughter.

Anyway, neither seems to be a threat (especially since the latter is now *she*). But they still have to put up with all the BS.

I will have to take exception to the bit about murder being worse than rape. I know a few too many rape victims. And child molesting tends to leave deeper scars than most rapes.

With murder, you are dead. With rape and abuse you have to live with what it does to you.

Even so, the laws are stupoid because a case of indecent exposure gets the same treatment as a serial child molester or a rapist/murderer.

Can't be seen as "soft on crime" after all.
fayanora
May. 7th, 2005 03:20 pm (UTC)
Heck with the *rules*. The problem is that people find out, and run you out of the neighborhood. Pretty soon you out of neighborhoods.

Exactly. Ever seen "The Man With No Face" starring Mel Gibson?

I know two folks on such lists. One lost his wife and baby (he was accused of raping the baby. He says it was his ex-wife's boyfriend, who she married while he was in jail). The other one got involved with his teenage daughter.

I know some good people on that list too.

Anyway, neither seems to be a threat (especially since the latter is now *she*). But they still have to put up with all the BS.

Life sentence, like Brax said.

I will have to take exception to the bit about murder being worse than rape. I know a few too many rape victims. And child molesting tends to leave deeper scars than most rapes.

Like Brax said to me, rape/molestation victims can heal, murder victims can't.

With murder, you are dead. With rape and abuse you have to live with what it does to you.

And you can heal from that. Murder victims cannot. I really don't see your point here as being a real argument in favor of rape being worse.

Even so, the laws are stupoid because a case of indecent exposure gets the same treatment as a serial child molester or a rapist/murderer.

Indeed. It's like one-time pot users being treated the same as drug dealers and methheads. I know some people who smoke pot, they're the least dangerous people I know. And that whole thing about driving while under the influence of pot... please! Potheads walk or get a ride if they need to go somewhere, but the stay home most of the time. The only time they go out is once they're sober again.

Can't be seen as "soft on crime" after all.

Rediculous. I feel like the human race is little more than a load of monkeys flinging poo at anyone who goes even a toe out of line.
kengr
May. 7th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)
Alas, healing is not easy or certain.

And I'm afraid I was looking at it from a particular viewpoint. Being dead is not good. But is living in constant fear for years "good"?

Admittedly, even though my (rather less important) problems have lead to 35-40 years of very much not fun life, I decided many, many years ago to keep living. But not because I expected things yto get better. But rather because I didn't want to risk causing anyone who might care about me the same sort of hurt.

But I'm straying off topic...

Basically, because occasuonally people have made mistakes in applying judgement when shades of gray were allowed for in sentencing and the like, it was decided to "fix" things by eliminating the gray instead of finding ways to help with the judgement.

That's led to the "one strike and you are out" attitude to drug and sex crimes. And to "zero intelligencetolerance" policies that lead to things like a school getting sued because their "all drugs/medecines used by students must be held by the school nurse and giuven by her" would have required a student to leave his epi-pens with the nurse. Which, if he got stung on the playground would have had him likely *dead* before the nurse could do anything.

And various other stupidities.

It's *easier* to set up "no option" policies so those administering things can point at the policies to disclaim responsibility. With policies that were based on *reality*, the decision makers would occasionally have to take responsibility for a bad decision. Can't have *that*.
fayanora
May. 9th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC)
Alas, healing is not easy or certain.

That's life, all around. I know I'm still trying to heal from years of being bullied.

And I'm afraid I was looking at it from a particular viewpoint. Being dead is not good. But is living in constant fear for years "good"?

No, but you can recover from it, if not entirely heal. You can learn to live a normal life. And not everyone is affected the same way anyway... some people will be broken by things that other people would consider stupid. I'm sure survivors of abuse by adults would think peer abuse is nothing, and I know them to be wrong.
I know, because I've lived with peer abuse, and I'm doing okay. It wasn't sexual abuse, but it was abuse all the same. I may be damaged goods for the rest of my life the way some people see it, but by looking for the gifts the experiences have brought me, I can make my life better. I have that option now, and I wouldn't (in this life at least) if I were dead. And the way I see it, I would have to live all this crap over again in another if I didn't get the chance to learn and grow from it. Which to me means another life on Earth. Which, trust me, I do not want. I don't intend to come back here once I'm gone.

At this point maybe we should agree to disagree, because nothing is going to convince me that being dead is preferable to living with abuse. If I died before I got the chance to forge something good from the bad, I would just have to come back to Earth after I died. I'd rather go somewhere easier next life, for a break.

Admittedly, even though my (rather less important) problems have lead to 35-40 years of very much not fun life, I decided many, many years ago to keep living. But not because I expected things yto get better. But rather because I didn't want to risk causing anyone who might care about me the same sort of hurt.

I contemplated suicide once, before I knew I'd have to relive this kind of life if I didn't grow from it, and decided against it for the same reasons you did. I realized I wasn't selfish enough to commit suicide.

Basically, because occasuonally people have made mistakes in applying judgement when shades of gray were allowed for in sentencing and the like, it was decided to "fix" things by eliminating the gray instead of finding ways to help with the judgement.
That's led to the "one strike and you are out" attitude to drug and sex crimes. And to "zero intelligencetolerance" policies that lead to things like a school getting sued because their "all drugs/medecines used by students must be held by the school nurse and giuven by her" would have required a student to leave his epi-pens with the nurse. Which, if he got stung on the playground would have had him likely *dead* before the nurse could do anything.


Indeed. Like I was telling David earlier today in private email, most adult's morality is the same black-and-white piece of crap that they were taught as kids. Such morality was made for kids, by kids, because most children have that kind of worldview. It isn't until puberty (hopefully) that children start to see the world in shades of grey.
Humanity, if it is to grow, must shed this outdated and childish form of behavior modification that is "morality." It would make much more sense introducing "selfish morality" to kids. "Selfish morality" being that you teach people how helping others helps themselves, among other things. It's like the concept of teamwork... you do what you can for the group, because everyone does the same; thus, you all reap the rewards of the common labor. No one would slack off because they wouldn't want others to slack off, and slacking off doesn't help the group. I fully intend to teach my children "selfish morality," IE teamwork, when I have some.
fayanora
May. 9th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC)
It's *easier* to set up "no option" policies so those administering things can point at the policies to disclaim responsibility. With policies that were based on *reality*, the decision makers would occasionally have to take responsibility for a bad decision. Can't have *that*.

Humanity consists of children leading children. Most adults are grown up only in physical form, but not mentally or emotionally. Most adults - and this is growing more common - are spoiled brats. So by teaching grown-up, logical, compassionate values to children, they will hopefully grow to be adults in every sense of the word.
consortofvenus
May. 5th, 2005 05:24 pm (UTC)
Anger at humanity rising... urge to kill them always rising...
Oh my fucking gods. He hung up signs saying "child rapist". That's fucking absurd. No wonder the citizens aren't that smart when one of their County Commissioners doesn't read what the guy even fucking did. And if he couldn't read the full records then he could have at least not jumped to conclusions.

Yup, this guy chose an easy target to further his political career. An easy target with the mind of a child pretty much. How brave of you, Mr. Commissioner, for slandering the name of someone that can't do a fucking thing about it. Someone that did something that may not have had sexual intentions but was labled a sex-offender... someone you further labled a rapist.

The best part: Sheriff Dean bemoaned the unintended consequences of what can happen when amateurs ignore police protocols in handling sex offenders. ``I understand the concern of parents for their children,'' Dean said. ``But we must not allow hysteria to take place.''

Who really imperiled the safety of the Ocala community?

A 38-year-old mentally impaired invalid or a frothing lynch mob led by a pol who regards the Marion County Commission as his own personal goober star chamber.
fayanora
May. 6th, 2005 02:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Anger at humanity rising... urge to kill them always rising...
Oh my fucking gods. He hung up signs saying "child rapist". That's fucking absurd. No wonder the citizens aren't that smart when one of their County Commissioners doesn't read what the guy even fucking did. And if he couldn't read the full records then he could have at least not jumped to conclusions.

Really. Calling that man a child rapist, when he didn't rape anyone, is like calling an accidental and non-lethal knock on the noggin from a ping-pong ball a murder.

Yup, this guy chose an easy target to further his political career. An easy target with the mind of a child pretty much. How brave of you, Mr. Commissioner, for slandering the name of someone that can't do a fucking thing about it. Someone that did something that may not have had sexual intentions but was labled a sex-offender... someone you further labled a rapist.

In a perfect world, such an asshole would be shot.
misslynx
May. 5th, 2005 10:58 pm (UTC)
Oh gods, that's awful. :-(

Just when you think politicians couldn't possibly stoop any lower.
fayanora
May. 6th, 2005 03:08 pm (UTC)
It is a constant struggle for me, every day and every minute of the day, to have any hope at all for humanity. My problem is that I want to have hope for us...

I don't want to go back to being disillusioned. But this pedophile panic and everything else just drives me insane. Especially the pedophile panic, because it's more widespread than the Satanic Panic and far more insidious... also it is 100 times more harmful to children than the real threats are. If you had a dime for every child serial killer and serial molester out there, you'd be surprisingly poor... but they hype it like crazy to scare people shitless. Because it's all a fucking ploy by the Religious Wrong to scare people into being as sexless as possible, because they know where this society is going (towards freedom) and are doing whatever they can to stop it.
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