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A political cartoon

Please excuse the crappy art, I threw this together haphazardly:

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kelly_holden
Aug. 11th, 2009 12:58 pm (UTC)
The mod of this one mailing list I'm still on appears to be quite convinced that socialised medicine will result in everybody over 60 getting euthanatised the second they so much as look ill and mandatory bariatric surgery for everybody over 'slightly pudgy'.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:01 pm (UTC)
*Sigh*
lord_caramac
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
Why didn't anything like that happen in any of those countries which have had a socialised health care system for decades, then?
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Oh maybe because America is the only real country in the world? Didn't you know that your country and all the other countries in the world are just shows put on by Hollywood for the sake of American tourists?
kelly_holden
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
I don't know. (I was slightly exaggerating the "euthanasia of seniors" point, but if you're looking at her long view, that is nearly what she thinks will happen.) WLS isn't even fully covered by Australia's Medicare, let alone mandatory for any size of person.
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:26 pm (UTC)
Because the Right considers socialized medicine to be part of Communism, which had the general solutions to social problems of killing entire villages and ignoring the actual problem. The delicious irony is that the USSR never had a socialized medical system and the PRC finally went to one....in 2008 long after any "communism" in their economy ceased to be significant.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:34 pm (UTC)
Ugh. People can be so stupid! Socialism =//= communism!
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
I'm aware of the difference (ballot v. bullet), but most Right-Wingers think Communism when they hear socialism. And in any case the point is moot because Obama's current plan isn't socialism, were he advocating his first proposal it would have been somewhat Soviet-model but even then hardly "Communist" in an academic sense.
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
Do these people have a death fetish or something?

They stirred up fear of the Muslim under the bed and all the horrible things they could do, they go into gornish detail about abortion, they keep getting these morbid fears of death and their very religion is centered around denying that crude reality that all things must pass into night....

It's times like this that Nuhami wants to choke a bitch.

Nuhami.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:33 pm (UTC)
LOL! Muslim under the bed! That's a funny image! (Maybe Osama bin Laden has been hiding under George W. Bush's bed this entire time?)
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
It comes from the two Red Scares and their attempts to make people see Commies, Commies everywhere. First the Palmer Raids and then McCarthyism....and before that the Yellow Peril, before that the Negro Peril, before that the Red Peril, back in Europe the Turkish Peril, then further back the Jewish Peril, then furthest-back the Pagan Peril.

Western civilization needs an outgroup to be itself at its...err...finest. The tragedy is most such Outgroups are equally "Western" as their excluders.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
I saw a show with kengr the other day that, among other things, said a lot of the battles of the Crusades got the Christian PR version passed down through history, like the battle(s) that won Spain back from the "evil, perverted, barbaric Muslims" who were, in fact, more civilized than Christian Europe at the time, far advanced culturally and technologically, and in fact there was lots of interbreeding between the two groups and the battle was more of a political power trade.
underlankers
Aug. 12th, 2009 12:48 am (UTC)
There's several things wrong with that:
First, Christian Europe was a bipartite civilization, the mess of tribal successor states to Rome in the West, the Caliphate in the East, and also the Roman Empire itself under the Byzantine-era Emperors. The Byzantines were the most complex state in Europe and took over 1,000 years of Moslem aggression, which is why Europe prayed in Latin for years instead of Quranic Arabic.

Al-Andalus was somewhat more complicated than that. The
Ummayyads were more civilized and technologically advanced....then the Almoravids and Almohads proved to be much more monstrous. And the Berber attack on the Ummayyad Byzantium-analogue did for it what Manzikert did to the Byzantines.

The Ummayyads were one of the more enlightened and tolerant societies of the time (the most tolerant was Tang-era China), and certainly better than Christendom. But the Ummayyads were not the only Muslim power and the Seljuks that the Crusaders fought at the behest of Emperor Alexius Komnenus had a great number of kingdoms, and that only adds to the complexity of the picture.

As does the under-mentioned Crusade of 1204, when the Catholics destroyed Constantinople, and thereby doomed the last independent Christian power in Europe....
lord_caramac
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:46 pm (UTC)
I wonder how people can be AGAINST abortion but at the same time SUPPORT the death penalty. And I'm glad to live in a country where capital punishment is unconstitutional, even in times of war.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I wonder if the pro-lifers got confused about the difference between capital punishment and corporal punishment...
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 02:24 pm (UTC)
What makes it sadder is how many self-identified Libertarians identify with Pure Corporatism and yet inexplicably accept the Strong Hand of GovernmentTM in ensuring the government can murder its own civilians. One person I know referred to libertarians as sociopathic crypto-racist manchildren. I think it fits.
kengr
Aug. 11th, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
Gee, maybe if you point out that Medicare *is* "socialized medicine" and that nothing of the sort has happened his head will explode.
fayanora
Aug. 12th, 2009 01:16 am (UTC)
That person would probably just say "No it en't, ya ig'nant varmint!"
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:30 pm (UTC)
I think to call the Right stupid is a mistake, idiots don't get Georgie Porgie re-elected as the first POTUS to get a majority before 2008 in a long, long time. To package incompetence and blather like that requires a genius at the wheel.

Nuhami.
fayanora
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
You give them too much credit. Unless you're saying Dick Cheney was the power behind the whole thing? Because I can totally believe that. Him and Pope Nazinger went to Sith school together, I'm sure of it.
underlankers
Aug. 11th, 2009 02:26 pm (UTC)
No....I'm saying the Right understood how to campaign. Obama could easily have won a 70% majority in the election if his campaigning skills had been above tepid. As it was, in a year that will not come again for Democrats in a long, long time he got barely over 50%.

That's the difference. With a shrinking fanbase and a piss-poor President, the GOP spun that into a majority. Obama had a much more awesome chance to give the political equivalent of an asskicking and fizzled instead of sizzled.
fayanora
Aug. 12th, 2009 12:00 am (UTC)
Reminds me of a comment in an episode of an X-Men cartoon I saw last night, Scott (Cyclops) said something about being angry that the Brotherhood of (Evil) Mutants kept getting ahead by cheating when his group, the good guys, were stuck playing by the rules.

Which is now making me wonder... why can't there be TV good guys who bend or break the rules where needed? And then I think, "Oh yeah: antiheroes."
underlankers
Aug. 12th, 2009 12:49 am (UTC)
There's Anti-Heroes....then there's the "heroes" in name only like the vast majority of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Rorschach and the Comedian.
simim23
Aug. 11th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I'm not Republican or a Democrat or anything.

But Obama's banning my clove cigarettes, he's got problems with the second amendment, and I'm pro-capital punishment, pro-abortion. I liekz the death.

Just the cigarettes/bullets part is enough to make me dislike him. Still, there's no way in hell he could do worse than Bush.... hopefully...
underlankers
Aug. 12th, 2009 12:50 am (UTC)
Sure there is.

Start a war with Pakistan, which is much larger than Iraq and what's more is a nuclear power. Iraq's been exorbitantly expensive. Now increase that by a factor of eight for the size of the country and still more for the population.
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