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I don't get why people like Batman so much. He has no powers! He's just a rich dude with fancy gadgets & ninja training. Why is he one of the leaders of the Justice League? I think he's kind of boring. And Robin is my least favorite Teen Titan for basically the same reasons. At least Sparky and The Green Arrow have some funny gadgets, like the boxing-glove arrow. :-) My favorite Teen Titan is Raven. Azarath metreon ZINTHOS! Second favorite is Starfire.

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underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 11:11 am (UTC)
I'm a big Raven fan myself (the default icon I have should make that obvious. Tee hee). I like the comics version slightly better, but the cartoon version is pretty cool in that she's a god-mod next to the rest of the team. If Teen Titans were more realistic, most of the villains would attempt to take her out first for the good reason that someone who can use telekinesis can use it in all kinds of family-unfriendly ways. Not to mention her phasing, her teleportation, her ability to create monsters....

In a more realistic scenario, she as the god-mod would be #1 to go.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 11:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, I love how she's basically the daughter of an evil God. Like father, NOT like daughter. :-D

Haven't read any of the comics version. Wasn't aware there *was* a comic. I always assumed they made up the concept for TV.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 11:46 am (UTC)
More like an anti-anti-christ than a daughter of Lord Nurgle.

The default icon I have is of the comics character. The cartoon version is somewhat more useful in actual combat situations (an understatement if ever there was one) due to the comics version not using empathy like it could be used (set the villain team to fighting amongst themselves by inducing hatred in them, problem solved). Though my chief gripe with the god-mod cartoon version is that theoretically, with her around the rest of the team is useless, given that she, y'know, beat them all on one occasion.

They have to make her stupider to give some drama. Not that I complain, mind uber-powerful Raven as opposed to take-you-out-in-the-first-few-minutes Raven is a nice change of pace. ^.^
bart_calendar
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:16 pm (UTC)
Because there's a lot of hidden homoerotic desire in a lot of comic book geeks and the heavy homosexual undertones in Batman and Robin appeal to the subconscious of those guys.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:30 pm (UTC)
LOL!
daddys_kitten_
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:26 pm (UTC)
Batman is awesome BECAUSE he has no powers! His superheroics are a testament to human ingenuity and determination. He has some of the best villains. And even though he and Superman are BFFs, if Superman ever turned evil for some reason, Batman has several plans to take him down, and is pragmatic enough to do it.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:29 pm (UTC)
And if Superman really went evil in real life, one thwack and Batman's head would go rolling... assuming it was still in enough pieces to roll. :-D
daddys_kitten_
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:38 pm (UTC)
No way Batman has a hidden stash of Kryptonite bullets! :x) They've actually done this in at least two comics that I know of - in one Superman is mindcontrolled by aliens or something, and in Dark Knight Returns he's sort of reluctantly fascist and working for Reagen. Also in one of my favorite Justice League episodes, they find out that Batman has "how I would take X down" contingency plans for all of the JL members. Everyone is all shocked and horrified, and he's all, "What? You have super powers. You are all *very dangerous*."

Ok that's enough nerdity for one night. :x)
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:43 pm (UTC)
Presumably you've got a situation where Superman could, y'know, use his super-speed? Isn't Superman faster than a speeding bullet? Super-speed *thwack!*.

Now, Supes v. the Flash would be a more intersting and challenging match. God-mod alien v. regular human? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

And as to contingency plans, you have a plan for everything. But if you attempt to use that plan and it fails....Oops, you've just got an enraged Martian Manhunter leveling a good-sized chunk of Gotham. Being uber-prepared is one thing. But no plan survives contact with other people, let alone the enemy.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:59 pm (UTC)
He'd have to carry those kryptonite bullets in a lead case, or else whenever Superman got close to Batman, he'd get sick.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
And by God he'd better not botch the plan or ever have a simple moment of human error. What happens if you try to contain Superman or the Martian Manhunter and you fail and you piss him off?

Sarasvasti Heshatani.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:32 pm (UTC)
I dunno, but I wouldn't want to find out firsthand.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
For that matter, if the world were really like the DC universe, the super-powered villains wouldn't ignore Gotham city. Batman would have a hell of a time fighting crime under those conditions, assuming he didn't die in his first encounter with a super-powered villain.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)
He would die in that contact. I mean, Bane wasn't even superhuman in any real DCU sense and he paralyzed the Bat. Now, imagine Batman against someone like Doomsday and what would happen then.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
They'd have to scrape him off the pavement.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:21 pm (UTC)
Or alternately they'd still be finding pieces of him years down the line. In our system, the Metanormals have one member they're really fucking scared of: Revcel. Don't ever piss her off or you'll find out what putting the power that can shred entire planets like ribbons does to a human-sized body. It is not pretty. Yes, we have individuals with superpowers in Shuhar IV. It has been both a good and a bad thing like everything else. No spandex-wearing heroes or villains, though. The occasional Metanormal vigilante and the occasional Metanormal thief or rapist who finds out how his powers can help him. Not Magnetos or Jokers.

And oddly enough, the lack of such abilities in this Bio-Body is an actual relief for her. She can act like a regular person without having to worry about an excessive burst of emotion accidentally shattering our planet into nothingness and killing not just all life on it, but creating a gravitational void in the planetary sytem.

Superpowers aren't all they're cracked up to be, and in our system they're more a cause for horror than for geekiness. Like Revcel's recent meltdown in terms of controlling her telepathy, which is on par with her telekinesis. She was huddled up holding herself saying "Suvardre make it stop" in this piteous whine over and over again. She had tears pouring down her face and was getting increasingly agitated, as the levitating objects began to testify to. As a matter of fact, introducing Metanormals by virtue of the Architects of Fear was probably more of an evil than a good.

Sarasvasti Heshatani.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:31 pm (UTC)
shattering our planet into nothingness and killing not just all life on it, but creating a gravitational void in the planetary sytem.

I think if I found myself in a universe with people who had powers like that, I'd curl into the fetal position and go catatonic.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC)
That's the Sub-Reality, and there are three people like that, but two of them are aware of how dangerous that power is and have developed ways to contain it. The third has been psychologically tortured and had her brain fried to the point that in her really awful moments her powers shut down because her mind and body can't handle the strain of using them.

Revcel is stronger than one of them, but her sister Revcekar is much more powerful than Revcel herself, albeit she's so good at concealing it after years of practice that counter-metas often rate her as a Normal. Can lead to Hilarity Ensuing.

Though your reaction is not uncommon among some of the more idealistic sort, who view the kind of power Revcel wields as either Lovecraft's critters among us or the gods among us. No fictional Jesus Taboo there.

Sarasvasti Heshatani.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
Metanormals. I like that term.
We have one Goddess and one metanormal in our system. A Goddess of Chaos, no less. And Pi is the metanormal - a shapeshifter who could, if he had his ideal body, shift into literally anything and any combination of things. It would be easy for him to shift into spirt-form, jump into someone's body, become one or more elements in their body, and convert those elements into, say, antimatter.
Or easier still: shift to spiritform, jump into their body, shift into sand or something else that would fatal to suddenly have all throughout one's body.

Or, you know, he could just turn into fire and fry you to a crisp... or turn his arm into steel and bash one's skull in... turn into CO2 and suffocate people... use his magic to cause one to spontaneously combust... there's thousands of ways Pi could kill people if he had his ideal body and was the killing type (he's not).
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
We use it because
Metahuman is species-specific. Many Metanormals are from species alien enough that humans are squicked by them, and what is and isn't Metanormal can vary. All Roes'in are stronger than humans, but a Metanormal Roes'in is a horrifying prospect for humans as to go beyond the upper limits of a species with immense bulk and muscle mass is well....yeah.

If Revcel was the sadistic type, she wouldn't need to kill herself, she could induce a Jonestown effect and make all her opponents immediately commit suicide (which she has actually done on a couple of occasions). And she tore a planet 14 X the size of Tamir V (Jupiter) to shreds to save her sister's life and the life of her then-future husband. Not to mention being effectively capable of wiping out entire armies. You can't even Zerg-rush her as she'd simply sense the transport vehicles and crush them into a crumpled hunk of metal while still in orbit. Then fling them into one of the gas giants for sheer shits and giggles. Revcel's changed the whole nature of warfare in a bleeding hurry much like Doctor Manhattan did in Watchmen. Only unlike Doc Manhattan she's quite willing to intervene in politics.

Sarasvasti Heshatani.
fayanora
Aug. 2nd, 2009 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: We use it because
I've been playing around with a so-far unnamed character (purely fictional) who has a power of heat/radiation (when it gets hot enough, vaporized particles fly away from him), with temps ranging from "ooh, warm!" to "you just vaporized a diamond!" And he can do it out of both hands. Simultaneously. He could easily level a city.

And I started a short story once (never finished it) about a metanormal character named Emmet Marshall Petersen (his "mutant name" is E.M.P.), who has power over electicity. And I don't mean lame shock-producing or flying on a metal circle like Static Shock, no. I mean COMPLETE AND UTTER CONTROL of electicity. He can sense, create, and manipulate all electicity within a certain range. He could fuck with nerve or brain electicity, even. He can call down lightning. He can even attract certain metals (the ones that are magnetic) with electromagnetism. But his most impressive power is his electro-magnetic pulse.

Oh, and I also started a short story in a universe where humans found they were the only sentient species in the galaxy, maybe even in the universe (I don't believe that model myself, but it made a nice "what if?"), but most of the planets aren't compatible to human life even though they do have biospheres already. Instead of terraforming planets that already have existing ecosystems, the colonists genetically re-engineer themselves to adapt to their environments. So what we end up with is several thousand new species of humans. And the changes can get quite weird. At least one species has gills. I can't think of any more weird ones off the top of my head.
Anyway, on to the point: the species of human that takes center stage in these stories is the Mindeodeans. The planet Mindeodean was harsh in the extreme, with predatory animals that normal humans couldn't stand a chance against, and colonists who were idealists and philosophers. They studied the native fauna and used genetic engineering to incorporate traits from these animals. Since titanium is to Mindeodean as iron is to Earth (and vice versa), the native animals developed a titanium-based body chemistry. They also developed titanium bones. The Mindeodeans did the same, even improving on the design by incorporating the honeycombing that Terran birds' bones do, to make the bones lighter. They also gave themselves enhanced strength to even the odds against the native predators: a Mindeodean (male or female, both are equal in terms of strength and other physical skills) could bench-press an SUV without breaking a sweat. They also have enhanced stamina, enhanced health, they don't age past a certain point, they got rid of all genetic diseases, they can hold their breath underwater for up to two hours, they can heal rapidly and even regrow missing limbs/tissue, and they even threw a several-thousand year lifespan into the mix at one point (once they figured out how to do so). They are essentially space elves, minus the magic and the pointy ears.

Naturally, they have an intergalactic Empire. However, despite being an empire, it's more like the Federation of Star Trek in its setup.
underlankers
Aug. 2nd, 2009 06:25 pm (UTC)
Re: We use it because
We know of projectile-users in terms of Metanormals. They tend to be less effective in terms of combat than might be thought because to get to the point of leveling a city requires reflexes faster than plasma guns. Individually they're pretty easily neutralized if they attempt to go rogue.

Ah. Electromagnetics. Those are some of the more interesting people in terms of Metanormal abilities, their talents usually lend themselves quite well to spy work. It's much easier to tap into phone lines, for instance, with an electromagnetic or to create misleading radio transmissions (since radio waves are part of the Electromagnetic spectrum (why yes I am a science geek)). I look forwad to reading some of that.

And what you describe is also part of a pre-FTL starship diaspora, as different alien worlds over time evolve different species naturally, Baranin are very definitely Earth-critters. But in this Universe, were Baranin to settle the galaxy without FTL (which is very difficult to create, only one species in the entire Empire has done so: the Xeltrigan, and since that made all stars equally accessible, they began Colonization on a vast scale), they would split into multiple post-human species just as the African Baranin were different from European Neanderthals or Asian Erectus.

And to us, the Federation is like the USA: the jackboot of imperialism in the velvet glove of liberty.

Sarasvasti Heshatani.
christinaathena
Aug. 3rd, 2009 12:00 am (UTC)
I don't get why people like Batman so much. He has no powers!

I think that's WHY people like him so much. He doesn't rely on special magical (or "mutant", but really, the way "mutants" are in the comic book is magic by another name ^_^) powers. He's a (sort of) regular person.
fayanora
Aug. 3rd, 2009 04:20 am (UTC)
Guess that makes sense. V in V for Vendetta, his only real advantage over normal people is that he can't feel pain, and that was because all his pain receptors got fried when he got caught on fire.
ownedbyzpydah
Aug. 3rd, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
ok, this is secondhand, because i'm not the mega-super batman fan, but Zpydah is like.. the number one batman fan of the world, so i gleam a lot from osmosis.

and... in one of the most recent batman comics, they killed bruce wayne in a way that has permanence. Zpydah thinks so because He says it isn't really common for DC to kill off major heroes and they have left a few dead forever (so far) and the guy who was robin is batman now i think.

this to me, undermines all the super-human qualities that bruce wayne had. if someone can just step into his place, how unique were his abilities to begin with?

but... i have these totally cute batman and catwoman tommy and kelly dolls (that's barbie's little brother and sister) and they always kick the joker dolls butt when he attacks my bratz dolls.
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