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Alien immigration

My friend ranka and I were having a conversation the other day about the new Star Trek movie, and he noted that there aren't very many scifi things that deal with immigration. For example, in the Star Trek universe everyone seems to pretty much stay on their own planet or a planet their people have colonized. While in reality, there would be lots of immigration going on.

Ranka also mentioned that he deals with the topic in some of his work, one of his major worlds being one where immigrating humans over the years overtook the planet as their own. And I got into a description of immigration in my Traipah stories - basically that native-born native species of Traipah have a government that has no real power over them and is just a mediator for them, but that same government *does* have power over immigrants; complete with laws and stuff. Though they have an out: if one is an immigrant and can pass a series of tests meant to determine if one can behave without needing the government, then one can get full citizenship. (And the Ah'Koi Bahnis have telepathy, so there's no lying.)

Still, the Traipahni government is pretty awesome even if you find yourself subject to its laws. Just don't steal, rape, assault, defraud, bomb, kill, litter,* pollute, or be in any way violent towards anyone and you'll be fine. There are no laws against any drugs, though certain substances are banned because they're used in bombs and other big bad weapons. Also, guns and energy weapons are banned without a special permit, or if someone trustworthy enough can vouch for you (like anyone vouched for by people from the TLEA - Terran Law Enforcement Agency).

Other behaviors that will get an emmigrant to Traipah in trouble:
      1. Preaching hatred or intolerance. (This can get one deported if it continues.)
      2. Burning books or other media. (Considered blasphemy by most Traipahni people, this act can easily get one deported.)
      3. Emigrants to Traipah are expected to send their children to some kind of Traipahni school, like The Unity School. All beliefs and religions are welcome on Traipah and in Traipahni schools (especially Unity School) but this is done because the Traipahni people do not tolerate hatred, intolerance, and "other childish disruptive thinking and behavior." (They consider hate-filled, intolerant people to be childish and ignorant.) So you can see, this planet is a great place for some people to emmigrate to, and not so great for others. Failure to comply with this expectation can result in deportation.
      4. Vandalism and graffiti are forbidden, just as is burning books.

* The penalty for littering is fairly light. And they don't believe in the death penalty. For crimes where no one was killed, the penalty is usually rehabilitation and therapy, often including "psionic therapy," aka telepathically-enhanced therapy (not mind control. Just using telepathy to find where the problems are to ease in the fixing of them). They try the same thing for one-off murders, but mass murders, bombings, and the like means either extradition or being volunteered for a job as a miner on an asteroid, whichever is most likely to be punishment.

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christinaathena
May. 16th, 2009 01:04 am (UTC)
Actually, the humans on Galhaf were more of a conquest. The European colonization of the Americas being roughly analogous. It was a single colonization event, however. All humans are descended from maybe 2-5 thousand colonists, broken up into 5 groups (chances are, there were more than those initially, but those were the only survivors of whatever unknown event caused the colony to fail)

Those five groups formed the basis of the five major racial groups of Galhaf.

Initially, the pteranthropans, being a peace-loving bunch, would've left the humans alone. Probably even helped out the early humans. Unfortunately, one the humans' population began to grow, and they became capable of doing so, they would've begun to dominate the pteranthropans. The poor pterries tend to be rather trusting. Violence doesn't come naturally to them. With a single notable exception, conflicts between pteranthropan groups are NEVER settled with violence. The sole exception is competition for mates during the mating season (although, even there, there are socially-accepted conventions to reduce the amount of violence; one such convention is the restriction of breeding to older members of tribes - which, over hundreds of thousands of years - has selected for later sexual maturity; they now possess a distinct "presexual adult" phase of the life cycle)

I should make a post about the pteranthropan life cycle on worldbuilding
fayanora
May. 16th, 2009 01:19 am (UTC)
I should make a post about the pteranthropan life cycle on worldbuilding

Aye!

~ ~ ~

The AKB and most of the Duenicallo and Shao'kennah are peaceful now, though they have an ancient history of violence. They still know how to do it when need be, partly because of the hostile environment in which they live (fertile and green but with lots of things that can kill ya), and partly because of one individual named Kiin Kohn Kaas who, 1000 or so years before first contact (I don't remember when exactly), was insane and went on a killing spree that terrorized the continent of Tahl'Bahn and, by reputation, the world before zie was caught and killed.

It also helps that despite being low-tech space-travel wise, they were very high tech in other areas. And still are.
christinaathena
May. 16th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
The pteranthropans' reproductive system is the main cause for their peacefulness. Since their birth rate was rigidly tied to the number of suitable breeding beaches, there was a stringent upper limit to their population (which could only be raised by increased life span). However, the planet's carrying capacity was much much much higher than that upper limit. Thus, they had little cause for conflict over resources. If you found a good foraging area, and another tribe was already present, and that tribe was unwilling to share, it would be better to simply find another area. Of course, if the area's food supply was sufficiently large, then the other tribe might let your tribe share. Anyways, the point is, there was never a time when war paid. Humans, on the other hand, evolved in a situation where we became capable of growing to the limit of the carrying capacity, reaching a point of hunger. Anywhere a human tribe looked, there'd be other humans. If they wanted more food, they'd have to take it from other people. And a pacifistic tribe would get wiped out by their more aggressive neighbors. An aggressive pteranthropan tribe, on the other hand, would just be wasting energy and risking lives, as their victims would often fight back. It would simply be more productive to find another territory, or negotiate. In summary, humans evolved in an environment where aggressiveness increased fitness, while pteranthropans evolved in an environment where it decreased fitness (except in the situation of breeding season)

The pteranthropans have learned that violence is sometimes necessary against humans, but it doesn't come naturally to them.
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underlankers
May. 16th, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
In Empire's case was reverse, and case was more like humans v. Neanderthals way back when.

No epidemics conveniently wiped out much of human race, or other four races. Imperials were few, planet was big, albeit detonating the Yellowstone Caldera did much to assist in conquest (ironic that megafauna bounced right back in American continent. Yes, we have megafauna, and no humans of any sort in American continent.), and result was the conquest and assimilation of three hominin races, Human, Erectus, and Hobbit. Neanderthals still have few indigenous-independent societies in Iceland, Lappland, Kamchatchka and the Faro Islands.

Humans are no longer speaking any of own tongues with exception of Juu and Hazda and Sandawe along with few other tongues eliminated by this world's Bantu Irrupton, which have become proto-Romance tongues, and will likely start to create new families for the future. Mostly they speak alien tongues like Hata and Utawali, more latter than former, and humankind in particular is one of largest Utawali-speaking communities in Empire.

Boris Ivanov.
fayanora
May. 18th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
I think you'd like the series "The Neanderthal Parallax" by Robert J. Sawyer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neanderthal_Parallax
It's about an alternate universe where the Neanderthals became civilized and homo sapiens died out.
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fayanora
May. 16th, 2009 05:16 am (UTC)
scifi specis which have differnet races - they're all one big homogenous mass.

The only one I can think of offhand is the Andorians, who - thanks to the series "Enterprise" - have two distinct races. Though the second "race" is more like "subspecies soon to be their own species." And then there's Tuvoc, a black vulcan, and his equally black wife, which leads one to assume Vulcans have at least two races.

I strive for more diversity in my own alien races. My favorite species, the Ah'Koi Bahnis, come in a wild and random assortment of colors and so race is not determined by color, but they do have several distinct "races" which are more like subspecies - like the difference between regular chimps and bonobos. They can interbreed, though. (Dunno if chimps and bobobos can, or if they even would.)

Another Traipahni species, the Duenicallo, have only two distinct races - regular-sized Duenicallo and pygmy Duenicallo. But there's an in-story reason for this: long ago, before the Reformation, the Duenicallo and one race of the AKB called the Ihg'Dahk had constant fueds with each other because ostensibly their two species were friends, but the Ihg'Dahk tended to be very racist against other AKB races, and the Duenicallo have long envied the AKB their genetic diversity. The Ihg'Dahk are now extinct, but not because of the Duenicallo.
And I have't figured out if the Shaokennah have different races or not, yet.

Also I have a fantasy world that has energy beings with godlike powers, their species is the Vecerti. They have different races via each race being made of a different color of vecerti energy. (I say races rather than species because while they are technically different species, they can and do interbreed.)
The same world (well, "set of universes") also has a universe in it called Hell, and Hell has thousands, even millions, of species of Demons. All of which can interbreed (the ones whose genitals fit together and whom also reproduce sexually, anyway.)
I could go on and on about that multiverse but I won't.

And Traipah isn't the only world I have wherein immigration is covered. One of the offshoots of the fantasy world I mentioned above has an alternate version of Earth wherein beings released from Hell for good behavior emmigrate to this alternate Earth. The stories I've written in that world (which so far mostly suck) deal with the consequences of Demon immigration.
christinaathena
May. 16th, 2009 05:36 am (UTC)
Well, technically, the Romulans and the Vulcans are separate races of a single species.

but they do have several distinct "races" which are more like subspecies - like the difference between regular chimps and bonobos.

Actually, those two are distinct species (Pan troglodytes and Pan paniscus respectively). Not sure if they're capable of interbreeding.

I know there are several regional varieties of Pteranthropans, including three subspecies. I'm not sure of the details of how they differ, however. (At any rate, the pterries give far less significance to the variations then we humans tend to do for our variations ... they don't tend to interbreed, but mostly because they have a tendency to return to the place of their birth to mate.)
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underlankers
May. 16th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
Our aliens have "races" in sense of geographic variation, and to be precise, existence on multiple worlds has created races in a literal sense, multiple descendants of one parent race. They also have many thousands of tongues, and have more liberal language and cultural policies than most human nations.

On other hand, political organization is much more totalitarian than any human nation currently in existence except North Korea, with exception that said totalitarian culture came about as reaction to worse totalitarian culture and has aspect of liberal democracy about it for said reason.

Boris Ivanov (who is sorry to spam Fayanora's account like this with my comments).
fayanora
May. 18th, 2009 01:19 am (UTC)
My main fantasy world has lots of different languages, but there are two in particular that are neat: the magical tongues Omnitongue and The Creator's Language. People who speak Omnitongue can be understood by anyone whether they know Omnitongue themselves or not. Omnitongue also allows them to understand any other language.

The Creator's Language is impossible for humans to speak or even understand without help. It is a language that describes reality, and by describing it can redefine it. IE, describe an apple and you can - if you know how - redefine it so it turns into an orange.
kengr
May. 16th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
You *are* aware that they made a TV series out of the movie? And actually improved it somewhat. :-)
underlankers
May. 16th, 2009 01:46 pm (UTC)
In case of Empire v. Subreality humans, humans were one of four races. Neanderthals were steadily driving humans into extinction, having created civilization and eliminated Erectus and Sapiens in Middle East. Human culture was endangered, but different evolutionary path meant that they could fight Neandies better, and hold them off, though extinction was likely by the 31st Century, with Neanderthals next pushing into the American continent.

Arrival of Imperials upended all that, forcing down the Island Race, the Hobbits, and then proceeding to brutally beat down Erectus and Sapiens, and last targeting Gulganin with a vicious curbstomp. Result was that spread zones of Sandawe came into being in North Africa and East Africa, where first Neanderthals and then the Imperial Guard had proceeded to destroy the natives there. And result of that is that pink skin is Neanderthal, a more brownish-yellow is Gulganin, a brownish tinge applies to the other two races, Man and Hobbit. Effectively, in Sub-Reality, only blacks exist. No whites, Asians, Americans, or Australians.

The aliens themselves come in many, many varieties, and three of the Four Great Races have ethnic-cultural divisions, Xeltrigan-Xetistavin, Roes'in-Halon, Marukani-Agalti. And the number of languages, and presumably cultures, across the 40,000 light year Empire is 50,000. No Species of Hats in our Sub-Reality, how they could exist is in question.

Boris Ivanov (am not Russian, am Croatian, chose Russian name as a bit of a dig at the Russkies Within).
kengr
May. 16th, 2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
Immigrants are people moving into a country. Emigrants (also emigres) are people moving *out*.

There are no laws against any drugs, though certain substances are banned because they're used in bombs and other big bad weapons.

Well, that isn't really workable.

The difference between useful tool and dangerous weapon is *solely* intent.

Thee are very few "dangerous" chemicals/substances that aren't usable both as valuable industrial feed stock and as a way to kill or injure people.
christinaathena
May. 16th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
Thee are very few "dangerous" chemicals/substances that aren't usable both as valuable industrial feed stock and as a way to kill or injure people.

A multi-species situation would probably be even worse. Something that's toxic to one species might be harmless, or even essential, to another. So, those substances couldn't be controlled easily, making poisoning a possibility.
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fayanora
May. 18th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
Well, that isn't really workable.

In human societies, maybe.

Thee are very few "dangerous" chemicals/substances that aren't usable both as valuable industrial feed stock and as a way to kill or injure people.

I see your point, but might I nitpick: you're assuming they have earth-standard agriculture. But they don't. Their agriculture works with the land and is more like groves. They tend to let food plants grow together like they would in the wild, which reduces the spread of plant diseases. And a lot of food grows wild on Traipah anyway.
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