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I'm filling out a "movies" meme and was just checking to see if I've seen Matrix: Revolutions (I have), and something occurred to me. In these kinds of movies I usually root for the machines unless they're being really evil, like in Terminator. But I'm making an exception for The Matrix: the machines in it may be acting evilly, but they're doing it to survive, and humans didn't exactly earn their respect. After all, Morpheus admits that the machines started out solar-powered and it was humans who picked a fight with them. It was humans who scorched the sky, not only stopping the machines from being able to use solar power but probably killing all plant life on the entire surface of the planet at the same time. Yes, the machines are using humans as living batteries and feeding them their dead intravenously, but humans *forced* them to do this to survive. Even then, the machines tried making a nice little virtual Eden for the humans and the humans still fought back. I am 100% on the side of the machines in these movies. Fuck Neo, fuck Morpheus, fuck Zion: the machines act as they do because humans gave them no other choice. So I say GO MACHINES!

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zianuray
Mar. 27th, 2009 10:54 pm (UTC)
*applause* Good points!
We had nearly the same discussion here, but no-one thought about how the machines had tried to give the humans a pleasant environment.
fayanora
Mar. 27th, 2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
Yes, clearly the machines were advanced not only in body but in mind and soul matters until they finally got tired of humanity's behavior and gave them a good spanking.
ownedbyzpydah
Mar. 28th, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)
well, there is the argument that the Matrix itself is yet another attempt at giving the humans a happy existence too. i mean... i'm sure they could have just grown them in a coma state of some sort (i'm pretty sure this was addressed in the movies but it's been a while and i don't recall exactly what was said.) i do remember that they said when the world was too utopian the humans recognized it was unrealistic so they had to start over. but i don't think the only two options were 'realistic enough to keep them satisfied' or 'utopia' there was probably room for an option that kept them thriving whilst not really catering to their general contentedness. so did the machines choose the 'content' option out of sheer functionality? or was there some desire to be good to the humans in spite of the fact that they were just batteries?
fayanora
Mar. 28th, 2009 05:49 am (UTC)
I hadn't considered that, but yes! Makes sense.
christinaathena
Mar. 28th, 2009 05:56 am (UTC)
Before the 2nd and 3rd movies came out, I played with the notion that Morpheus' statements were propoganda. After all, it makes zero sense for humans to be "batteries". Conservation of energy and all that - it'd take more energy to sustain humans than you could get from them! That's what bugged me - they could've done something other than that ridiculous "battery" idea without changing the basic idea! For example, they could've claimed that there was something that the human brain is capable of that machines cannot replicate. I don't think that's very plausible, but I could suspend disbelief for that. But batteries? Absurd! On the other hand, as propoganda, that would be excellent.

I still think the Matrix was set up by humans in the first place, and the machines are simply carrying out the original command to take care of humans.

Of course, Morpheus himself admitted that most people over a certain age cannot survive being disconnected. Neo was said to have been over the usual age, and he was only, what, 20-something? Had they succeeded in destroying the Matrix, it would've meant the deaths of all but a tiny fraction of humanity! Morpheus' goals would result in the greatest genocide in the history of mankind!
fayanora
Mar. 28th, 2009 06:32 am (UTC)
But batteries? Absurd! On the other hand, as propoganda, that would be excellent.

So you think the machines were actually using, say, fusion generators and Morpheus was incurring hatred against the machines with propaganda about humans being batteries? Interesting. I like that.

Of course, Morpheus himself admitted that most people over a certain age cannot survive being disconnected. Neo was said to have been over the usual age, and he was only, what, 20-something? Had they succeeded in destroying the Matrix, it would've meant the deaths of all but a tiny fraction of humanity! Morpheus' goals would result in the greatest genocide in the history of mankind!

Ah, continuity errors. :-)
christinaathena
Mar. 29th, 2009 06:27 am (UTC)
My theory was that the Matrix started after humanity nearly wiped themselves out and the machines realized "These people can't be trusted to take care of themselves - we'll have to take care of them ourselves". :D It wasn't a war against the machines that blackened the sky - it was a war between different groups of humans!
fayanora
Mar. 29th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
Yeah, the moment Morpheus said "It was we who scorched the sky," I thought, "What a bunch of idiots. They deserve their fate." Now I'm thinking the machines were being merciful, taking pity on our idiot race.
fayanora
Mar. 29th, 2009 08:52 am (UTC)
PS
Ha ha! Now there's a thought. I almost wish I was in college, in some class where I could write a paper: "Argument: The Machines in The Matrix were actually the good guys, and the humans were idiot terrorists."

Hey, maybe the whole "Zion" thing is a way of weeding out the bad elements, an attempt at breeding the violence out of humans.
wizwom
Mar. 29th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
Actually, Matrix: Reloaded has a scene in which it is made clear that the machines purposefully set up a seed after destroying Zion each time.
fayanora
Mar. 29th, 2009 06:43 am (UTC)
To what end?
wizwom
Mar. 29th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC)
To have a place for those who don't mesh well with the matrix to get out of it. It's a solution the machines came up with to keep the matrix going.

They tell Neo he's got the responsibility of choosing the next group, and he tells the program to stuff it.
fayanora
Mar. 29th, 2009 09:01 am (UTC)
Ah, like I was just saying to someone else, maybe Zion is a way of weeding out the bad elements; maybe it's part of a program to breed the violence out of humans.

They tell Neo he's got the responsibility of choosing the next group, and he tells the program to stuff it.

That's probably part of their plan. They probably say the same thing to every "One" they have, and s/he probably always tells them to stuff it. He's playing right into their hands...
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