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Claim: Kids who say 'yuck' may be racist

LONDON, July 7 (UPI) -- Toddlers who say "yuck" when given flavorful foreign food may be exhibiting racist behavior, a British government-sponsored organization says.

The London-based National Children's Bureau released a 366-page guide counseling adults on recognizing racist behavior in young children, The Telegraph reported Monday.

The guide, titled Young Children and Racial Justice, warns adults that babies must also be included in the effort to eliminate racism because they have the ability to "recognize different people in their lives."

The bureau says to be aware of children who "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuck'."

"Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships," the guide says.

Staff members are advised not to ignore racist actions and to condemn them when they occur.

Copyright 2008 by United Press International

The people who thought up this load of horse shit are fucking idiots. And are idiots themselves, as well. The reason kids may not like a food at first is because kids have more sensitive taste buds than adults do.

There are no words to explain my displeasure at this tripe.


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Aug. 19th, 2008 01:08 pm (UTC)
Not necessarily. I like shredded cabbage and I'm a Discordian.

Of course, it could be argued that I'm still racist against Cabbages, and that in a primative act of barbarism I eat them. I'd have called it cannibalism, but that would not have been accurate. :-)
Aug. 18th, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
Aug. 18th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
Uhh... wat. o_o

Seriously, one of the dumbest things I've had the misfortune to hear. Spectacularly stupid.
Aug. 18th, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
Aug. 18th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Misrepresented, but with a grain of truth there... and it's an "on average" thing.

Racism is associated with neophobia (hatred of new things), ergo demonstrating a dislike for novel flavours may be a marker for a correlation with a higher tendency towards racist behaviour.

Which is not to say that those sensitive to extremes of taste are racist.

This is an "across the board" measure, and purely refers to a tendency for one group with shared characteristics to also show a leaning towards other characteristics, as well.

But of course this does not mean that kids with sensitivity towards certain flavours are racist.

Like lots of scientific research, it's real easy to paint it as crap by misrepresenting its theorums or conclusions (as newspapers so often do due to their perceived need to "dumb down" the science) and then mocking it. This is called a Straw Man argument, and is a logical fallacy.

The tripe isn't in the science, it's in the reporting.
Aug. 19th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
This isn't a study. It's a set of guidelines drawn up by some government sponsored group. Not at all the same thing.

So it's not bad science reporting. It's bad rule making unless there's a some study (not mentioned) that the group used to come up with this rule. Which I seriously doubt.
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Aug. 18th, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
I don't appreciate your denigration of tripe, the National Dish of Romania. It's clear you, dear sir, are a racist!
Aug. 19th, 2008 05:40 am (UTC)
There are so many things wrong with that sentence. :-)

What exactly IS tripe? I've only ever heard it used as an expletive.
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Aug. 19th, 2008 12:17 am (UTC)
So, taken to its logical conclusion, I must be a Nazi because I think gefilte fish is just nasty stuff? That's ridiculous. The idea that a kid who doesn't like a certain cultural food is somehow predisposed against that particular culture is reading way too deeply into something that is usually a simple reaction against taste or texture.

I can't stand Brussels sprouts. To me they smell worse than dirty socks - but I love Belgian chocolate. How about calamari? I've tried good calamari and I'm put off by the bland, rubbery texture. I'm no big fan of pizza either, even good pizza, having been so far burnt out on it from working at Dominos that I'd rather not eat it if I can help it. But gaddamn, I love my pasta!

Keep in mind that starving kids in Africa don't care what they eat, as long as they eat. It's only in the privileged, developed Western countries where we can mix and match cultural dishes at whim that a kid will turnip their nose at what's put in front of them.
Aug. 19th, 2008 12:19 am (UTC)
Of course, any thinking parent who reads this tome that the British government has backed would be well within their rights to refuse to be fed that crap.
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Aug. 19th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
100% Greyface
Being honest, govt. commissioned studies are simply a cash cow for the company concerned, and result in some incredibly silly findings. Doubtlessly the brief is to provide two things:

1: A good headline
2: A good 'problem' to throw money & authoritarian silliness at

I havn't read it, but I would bet even money that it'll recommend government intervention of some sort, doubtlessly resulting in many more studies to 'monitor the situation'. Like most governmental projects, it's a job creation scheme/money pit.

Or a big joke!

Aug. 19th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC)
Re: 100% Greyface
It's not a study. It's a set of "guidelines" some group came up with. And if they had any basis for it that even *resembles* a study, I'd be surprised.
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Aug. 19th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
Actually, I can see one sense in which there could be a small element of truth in it -- but in a way that's sort of backwards from the way they're presenting it.

I've seen a *lot* of incidents where parents assume kids won't like anything "different" and either refuse to let them try foreign foods, or if they do, tell them beforehand that they won't like it or otherwise treat it like it's something suspect and bad. They'll take the kids to an Indian restaurant and then insist on giving them plain rice with nothing on it even if the kids are throwing longing looks at the food their parents are eating and obviously would like to try it. Or plain vermicelli at a Vietnamese restaurant, etc.

I think that being exposed to that for a long time can probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy -- if the kids never get the chance to try anything out of the ordinary, then they may well end up not liking things like that. But it's not the kids that are "exhibiting racist behavior" in that case, it's the parents -- although it's probably equally true that the parents are exhibiting patronizing-to-kids behaviour.

If kids are actually given free reign to try whatever they want (er - within the realm of stuff that is actually edible, of course), often they like things their parents don't expect them to.

I remember when my older nephew finally got to choose his own food at an Indian restaurant we went to on a family outing, when he was maybe about 9 or 10. Various adults were still hovering over him trying to direct him towards the mildest things on the menu, but he made his own choice and got something he thought looked good. When the food came, everyone watched anxiously as he took his first bite. His eyes got really big, and my dad asked "Is it too spicy?" But my nephew just said "No, I just didn't realize it would be so good!!" and proceeded to devour the entire dish with great enthusiasm. He hasn't stopped eating spicy food since. :-)

The funny thing is, when I was a baby, my dad was much more adventurous in what he thought kids should eat, and was giving me stuff like raw onions and hot peppers before I was a year old (which apparently I was OK with). But he was a 21-year-old college student then, not a 50-something professor and grandfather, so I suppose that gives one a different perspective...
Aug. 22nd, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
I think it was about when I started getting colds and stuffed up nose all the time (thus losing my sense of smell) that I started to try stronger-tasting foods. Even though I can breathe through my nose now, and can smell and taste fine, I still love strong-flavored foods.

My grandmother is the one who insisted I try some coffee when I was five, over my parents' objections. I loved it! But I always preferred tea to coffee. Too bad my body won't let me have caffeine anymore. :-(
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